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Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 08, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

I would be all for GMs monitoring the chat, but frankly I doubt this fits the GW financial model. They don't really have the funds for a very large staff if they basically get a ton of money every twelve months and then next to nothing until the next expansion. This is one of the features that I see being implemented when ArenaNet starts releasing expansions on somewhat of a schedule, since then they can have the money for this kind of a thing.

Meo Yeong · Jul 08, 2006, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

I would be all for GMs monitoring the chat, but frankly I doubt this fits the GW financial model. They don't really have the funds for a very large staff if they basically get a ton of money every twelve months and then next to nothing until the next expansion. This is one of the features that I see being implemented when ArenaNet starts releasing expansions on somewhat of a schedule, since then they can have the money for this kind of a thing.

They could out source for it. Find some players willing to monitor under the rules and guidlines set out by anet. May even pay them in gp but that might be a little far fetched. But still I know many that would do it for free for a couple hours here and there. My only suggestion would be to give these players an other specialized account for loggin a 1 character only gm that has all zones unlocked. Wouldn't have to worry about lvl or nothing and give them some like gm armor and specialized colour text and make it so they can't be ignored or filtered.

Wyld Kard · Jul 08, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

Meh the people with bad behavior do not really bother me all that much I just regard them as infantile and moronic and go on my way. And the $15.00 a month would kill this game atleast for me. Hell one of the reasons I bought it was "FREE PLAY FOREVER" And I am sure that a charge would not down the amount of idiotic players it would just spawn a whole new breed of over cocky my crap dont stink aholes.

Doomlord_Slayermann · Jul 08, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Meo Yeong

They could out source for it. Find some players willing to monitor under the rules and guidlines set out by anet. May even pay them in gp but that might be a little far fetched. But still I know many that would do it for free for a couple hours here and there. My only suggestion would be to give these players an other specialized account for loggin a 1 character only gm that has all zones unlocked. Wouldn't have to worry about lvl or nothing and give them some like gm armor and specialized colour text and make it so they can't be ignored or filtered.

Nice thought, but frankly there is no good way to filter out the players that would abuse their privileges as a mod. It would solve small problems with local chat while creating major problems with abuse. Take away their ability to abuse and they have no power and can easily be ignored.

It's a problem without an easy solution.

Thom · Jul 08, 2006, 06:57 PM // 18:57

The answer to all of this is very simple. Where you find abusive behavior, confront the person like an adult and ask them to stop. Provide a reason why the behavior is abusive to the community. If the person is excessively abusive, let them know you are reporting the offense and report the offense. If the person is mildly annoying add them to your ignore list.

I am easily offended by comments about rape since it tends to destroy peoples lives, yet some feel it is fair game to joke about. Odds are there are people who have suffered rape playing the game and no one should dare rub salt in those wounds. I make a point of PMing people who offend me in this fashion with a message saying "rape isn't funny" and if they insist that I need to lighten up I'll give a fuller explanation. Normally that is enough to remind people that they are in public and they need to act it.

If things are bothering you and you aren't saying anything, that is part of the problem. You don't have to address every idiot, but politely PMing those that bother you is only helping the community.

Mobiwan · Jul 08, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

The answer is so bloody simple I can't believe NO current game developers have figured it out.

The lack of accountability amplifies real life personalities. Anytime a community is left to police themselves, that community must be given tools to deal with this type of problem.

Rather then reinvent the wheel, simply pull from a known working model; Ebay's feedback! The ability to add feedback for trading / questing that would add a permanent mark on someone's account would fix this problem quickly.

I just don't understand how developers could have missed such a simple solution.

Thom · Jul 08, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Systems=abuse. Would you really like your credit score hanging around your neck when you went to the grocery store?

Meo Yeong · Jul 08, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by Mobiwan

The answer is so bloody simple I can't believe NO current game developers have figured it out.

The lack of accountability amplifies real life personalities. Anytime a community is left to police themselves, that community must be given tools to deal with this type of problem.

Rather then reinvent the wheel, simply pull from a known working model; Ebay's feedback! The ability to add feedback for trading / questing that would add a permanent mark on someone's account would fix this problem quickly.

I just don't understand how developers could have missed such a simple solution.

Mm ebay feedback is actually flawed. I myself have negative feedback when I wasnt even in the wrong and some people even hold it over your head when dealing with them.

for example one deal a guy charge me for a more expensive shipping and sent it reg post. when I asked for some money back since he didnt send the way he said he would he left me a negative.

Also on an other occasion I bought something in which in his ad said accepted paypal so I paid with paypal but he wasnt a premium account holder thus couldnt acept cc paypal which is agaisnt the ebay guidlines since if you say accept paypal you have to accept all forms. In that case he said I didnt even pay him and gave me a negative which in reality I paid him 1 time he denied, I told him of rules repaid and he denied again.

I also have a third one in which a guy just backed out of the deal, think he didnt even have the item left but no idea. He left a negative because I filed a dispute.

On all three of my negatives I filed disputes and won too and ebay never removed my negatives and only suggested going to a fee based 3rd party square trade.

Anyways ebay feedback and thier system is flawed in some cases.

My point being anyone can leave false feedback.

Flabber Babble · Jul 08, 2006, 07:39 PM // 19:39

It doesn't matter where you go, you'll find a jerk somewhere. It happens. But in real life (yeah, one of those, I think you can find them outside of GW

) you don't (normally) hang out with people you think are jerks. Instead, you hang out with your own group of friends (Guild) <---- see what I'm getting at?

It's more fun for me to hang out online with the friends I make in my guild, the guild keeps people at an arms length and have direct control over who's in it or not

That way, you won't have to much worry about random jerks in towns.... Local chat off, FTW!

twicky_kid · Jul 08, 2006, 07:42 PM // 19:42

I don't remind reporting things when I feel they are wrong. My problem is its so damn hard to report things. You have to sign up on a website. Then go through all these drop down menus.

They need a system IN GAME that can report things. Its not hard for them to do a little digging. All the chat logs are recorded. They can bring them up any time they want. Just provide the offenders name, what time it happened, town you where in, and what dist.

Taking about an hour of my day to report some one for being childish and rude is rather futile. I'd spend all my playiing time reporting people.

Mimi Miyagi · Jul 08, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

We have in game GMs. There just isn't enough of them vs all the bad apples.

A way to report in game WOULD be wonderful, if it has hard to abuse.

Ummm.....no, we do NOT have in game GMs. Anyone claiming to be an in game GM is lying.

B§x¿44¶»1@$ · Jul 08, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57

It's not the good people's fault. I loose my temper some times when people say "yeah I've done this a thousand times" and go off and agro like a ninny. First time "sorry, I lagged" is forgiveable, second time its a habit.

Personally, when I act like a jerk, its because we've already lost all hope of winning, and I there is no reason to try. When I drop, I try to explain that there is something direly important that requires my attendence outside of Guild Wars, or elsewhere (though not often).

I know I've done the 100k to anyone who can touch me at Glint once or twice for kicks- but anyone with half a brain knows its just a joke anyway.

I've been around some utter newbs/n00bs, but I'm more tolerant of the newbs. Why? Because its sad. I have time to play a few hours a day, where as they once a week/month. I'll help them when I have nothing to do- or a spare iron ingot/platinum/weapon.

N00bs are the ones we can't stand. The ones who work against you. They are the ones who just need to get punched in the face and be taught a lesson. The endless stream of Wammo's that blame the monks when they die, the people who /dance when there is fighting to do, the people who USE ALL CAPS.

On a side note- Go play runescape. At least compared to them, we are literally 1000x times better. Seriously, that number isn't exagerated. Every other message in the chat box in Lumbridge is FREE GP PLZ LOL and everywhere else its "hey buddy, I'll give you 500k for your full rune." etc etc etc etc...

lyra_song · Jul 08, 2006, 09:35 PM // 21:35

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Originally Posted by Mimi Miyagi

Ummm.....no, we do NOT have in game GMs. Anyone claiming to be an in game GM is lying.

No GM in the game in going to tell you he's a GM unless you already know them. It would compromise their secret identity. :P

1) Anet employees play this game. <---This is a fact.

2) If an Anet employee sees you breaking the EULA, you are pretty much guranteed a ban.

3) There are Anet employees that are specificically playing and moderating the game. <---This is probably a very questionable statement because I cant say or prove anything without compromising said people. The whole "Trust me theres GMs" is ridiculous, so take it with a grain of salt, but I know what I've seen.

aron searle · Jul 09, 2006, 12:47 AM // 00:47

Lack of accountability =

Erasculio · Jul 09, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by aron searle

Lack of accountability =

Did you report that guy? In the GW website?

Erasculio

Griffonclaw · Jul 09, 2006, 05:54 AM // 05:54

You know what? I reckon, to avoid all the people spamming and insulting in caps, we should all just turn off local chat and speak in trade chat. Seeing as all the noobs and insulters are using the local channel and abusing the filters, lets just ignore them and conduct our buisness in guild, alliance and trade channels!

Thats right! I'M CALLING A STRIKE ON USING THE LOCAL CHANNEL! ITS TIME TO RISE UP AND IGNORE THE NOOBS! LETS FIGHT BACK!

...Sorry for the caps, I got all excited, but seriously, turn off local (unless you are helping new players, who I believe are different from 'noobs') and start a new life in the trade channel

inscribed · Jul 09, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

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Originally Posted by Griffonclaw

You know what? I reckon, to avoid all the people spamming and insulting in caps, we should all just turn off local chat and speak in trade chat. Seeing as all the noobs and insulters are using the local channel and abusing the filters, lets just ignore them and conduct our buisness in guild, alliance and trade channels!

Thats right! I'M CALLING A STRIKE ON USING THE LOCAL CHANNEL! ITS TIME TO RISE UP AND IGNORE THE NOOBS! LETS FIGHT BACK!

...Sorry for the caps, I got all excited, but seriously, turn off local (unless you are helping new players, who I believe are different from 'noobs') and start a new life in the trade channel

When I'm selling something, I'm going to spam whichever channel has the most people using it. Usually its local chat, but if everyone started using trade channel to chat, I'd spam there instead.

Scarlett Romanov · Jul 09, 2006, 08:44 AM // 08:44

*sigh* I'm inclined to agree that current local chats of certain towns tend to be flooded with lots of rude remarks and whatnot. I suggest reporting users to NCSoft in hope that something will be done about them. We can't totally purge all assholes from the game, but we can atleast get rid of a few. A few is better than nothing.

Nek · Jul 09, 2006, 09:46 AM // 09:46

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

No GM in the game in going to tell you he's a GM unless you already know them. It would compromise their secret identity. :P

1) Anet employees play this game. <---This is a fact.

2) If an Anet employee sees you breaking the EULA, you are pretty much guranteed a ban.

3) There are Anet employees that are specificically playing and moderating the game. <---This is probably a very questionable statement because I cant say or prove anything without compromising said people. The whole "Trust me theres GMs" is ridiculous, so take it with a grain of salt, but I know what I've seen.

1) Possibility is there, assumption is there too!

2) How would you know of their personalities? Are every one of them highly professional? Again, quit being assertive when you obviously don't know every single one of em Anet employees!

3) If you can't say or prove anything without compromising, that isn't the truth is it? Enlighten me, please.

Meo Yeong · Jul 09, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by Nek

1) Possibility is there, assumption is there too!

2) How would you know of their personalities? Are every one of them highly professional? Again, quit being assertive when you obviously don't know every single one of em Anet employees!

3) If you can't say or prove anything without compromising, that isn't the truth is it? Enlighten me, please.

Number 1 is actually a fact, There is some anet employees that play this game. Which means that your reply for number 1 should really be for number 3 lol.